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		<title>By: Downtown Lad</title>
		<link>http://www.kipesquire.net/2005/10/if-you-blog-down-with-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1073</link>
		<dc:creator>Downtown Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Volokh has implied that gay people are disease-ridden pedophiles.  If that doesn&#039;t count as an anti-gay bigot, I don&#039;t know what does.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not to mention the fact the he bans gay people from leaving comments on his blog.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volokh has implied that gay people are disease-ridden pedophiles.  If that doesn't count as an anti-gay bigot, I don't know what does.</p>
<p>Not to mention the fact the he bans gay people from leaving comments on his blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Carina</title>
		<link>http://www.kipesquire.net/2005/10/if-you-blog-down-with-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1072</link>
		<dc:creator>Carina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kip-&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate to get too technical about old Usenet conventions (Such a lie. I revel in it.), but Godwin&#039;s Law is definitely not restricted to mention of Hitler.  It refers to Nazis or Hitler. Whether neo-Nazis really count is open to debate, but let&#039;s be accurate about something so well-documented.&lt;br /&gt;
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Relatedly, I think your comments section suffers from your hypercriticism. If you want strict standards for accuracy, maybe you should be equally tough on those on your side. &quot;Volokh is one of the most prominent anti-gay bigots out there&quot;? Whatever evil one suspects him of harboring in his secret heart, Volokh is not explicitly anti-gay. Dozens of much more famous and influential people are.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also: here&#039;s a grain of salt. Take my opinion with it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip-</p>
<p>I hate to get too technical about old Usenet conventions (Such a lie. I revel in it.), but Godwin's Law is definitely not restricted to mention of Hitler.  It refers to Nazis or Hitler. Whether neo-Nazis really count is open to debate, but let's be accurate about something so well-documented.</p>
<p>Relatedly, I think your comments section suffers from your hypercriticism. If you want strict standards for accuracy, maybe you should be equally tough on those on your side. "Volokh is one of the most prominent anti-gay bigots out there"? Whatever evil one suspects him of harboring in his secret heart, Volokh is not explicitly anti-gay. Dozens of much more famous and influential people are.</p>
<p>Also: here's a grain of salt. Take my opinion with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gekkobear</title>
		<link>http://www.kipesquire.net/2005/10/if-you-blog-down-with-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1071</link>
		<dc:creator>Gekkobear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;d post my thoughts here, but I&#039;m &quot;not a constitutional law scholar (in fact  [I&#039;m} not even an attorney) and ha[ve] nothing jurisprudential to bring to any debate on same-sex marriage&quot; so I guess I&#039;m not allowed to have a rational opinion on this topic.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry you feel that way about what I assume to be 99% of your viewers.  But at least you get to feel elitist and superior, so you do have that going for you.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;[Kip replies: 99% of my viewers were not invited to be guest bloggers on Volokh&#039;s site as supposed &quot;experts&quot; on same-sex marriage.&lt;br /&gt;
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If I didn&#039;t value other people&#039;s opinions, then I wouldn&#039;t open my posts up for comments.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is not about you (&quot;Who&#039;s being elitist and superior, Kaye?&quot;), it&#039;s about Maggie Gallagher.]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I'd post my thoughts here, but I'm "not a constitutional law scholar (in fact  [I'm} not even an attorney) and ha[ve] nothing jurisprudential to bring to any debate on same-sex marriage" so I guess I'm not allowed to have a rational opinion on this topic.  </p>
<p>Sorry you feel that way about what I assume to be 99% of your viewers.  But at least you get to feel elitist and superior, so you do have that going for you.</p>
<p><i>[Kip replies: 99% of my viewers were not invited to be guest bloggers on Volokh's site as supposed "experts" on same-sex marriage.</p>
<p>If I didn't value other people's opinions, then I wouldn't open my posts up for comments.</p>
<p>This is not about you ("Who's being elitist and superior, Kaye?"), it's about Maggie Gallagher.]</i></p>
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		<title>By: Downtown Lad</title>
		<link>http://www.kipesquire.net/2005/10/if-you-blog-down-with-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1070</link>
		<dc:creator>Downtown Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s rephrase that question:&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone explain why &quot;straight&quot; people who focus so much of their energy on condemning gay people and making sure that they are treated as second class citizens within the law are also the same people who are adamant that they are not a) a bigot, b) a homophobe, c) a closeted homosexual, or d) all of the above. &lt;br /&gt;
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I wonder if members of the KKK get upset when people call them racist?  I would be willing to bet a lot of money that they ARE offended by such statements.  They probably say something like &quot;How dare you call me a racist?  I&#039;m not anti-black, I just think it&#039;s against the Bible for the races to inter-mingle....&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's rephrase that question:</p>
<p>Can someone explain why "straight" people who focus so much of their energy on condemning gay people and making sure that they are treated as second class citizens within the law are also the same people who are adamant that they are not a) a bigot, b) a homophobe, c) a closeted homosexual, or d) all of the above. </p>
<p>I wonder if members of the KKK get upset when people call them racist?  I would be willing to bet a lot of money that they ARE offended by such statements.  They probably say something like "How dare you call me a racist?  I'm not anti-black, I just think it's against the Bible for the races to inter-mingle&#8230;."</p>
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		<title>By: jimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downtown Lad and Kip:&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone explain why many gay rights advocate insist on attacking opposing positions by asserting that anyone who doesn&#039;t share their views must be a) a bigot, b) a homophobe, c) a closeted homosexual, or d) all of the above. &lt;br /&gt;
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Isn&#039;t it possible that someone simply disagrees with your policy without being a horrible person? Or is it easier to call people names?&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;[Kip replies: Since I&#039;m only referring to Gallagher, who has a very long paper trail of anti-gay commentary, and not &quot;anyone who doesn&#039;t share my values,&quot; I have no answer to give you. Don&#039;t fault me for something I&#039;m not even doing.]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downtown Lad and Kip:</p>
<p>Can someone explain why many gay rights advocate insist on attacking opposing positions by asserting that anyone who doesn't share their views must be a) a bigot, b) a homophobe, c) a closeted homosexual, or d) all of the above. </p>
<p>Isn't it possible that someone simply disagrees with your policy without being a horrible person? Or is it easier to call people names?</p>
<p><i>[Kip replies: Since I'm only referring to Gallagher, who has a very long paper trail of anti-gay commentary, and not "anyone who doesn't share my values," I have no answer to give you. Don't fault me for something I'm not even doing.]</i></p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie Gallagher, for all her faults, is not an Ohio Nazi. When you use ludicrous Kos-type hyperbole your credibility goes down to ZERO.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;[Kip replies: I did not call her an Ohio Nazi. When you evidence a failure to read the actual post, your credibility goes down to zero (oh, sorry -- &quot;ZERO&quot;).]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie Gallagher, for all her faults, is not an Ohio Nazi. When you use ludicrous Kos-type hyperbole your credibility goes down to ZERO.</p>
<p><i>[Kip replies: I did not call her an Ohio Nazi. When you evidence a failure to read the actual post, your credibility goes down to zero (oh, sorry -- "ZERO").]</i></p>
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		<title>By: Downtown Lad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Downtown Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we surprised?  Volokh is one of the most prominent anti-gay bigots out there.  He tries to mask his views by saying that he favors gay-marriage, but at a personal level - he displays extreme contempt for gay people, hinting that they are disease-ridden pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sounds like a closet case to me.  Volokh is a self-loathing gay person and he needs to be outed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we surprised?  Volokh is one of the most prominent anti-gay bigots out there.  He tries to mask his views by saying that he favors gay-marriage, but at a personal level &#8211; he displays extreme contempt for gay people, hinting that they are disease-ridden pedophiles.</p>
<p>Sounds like a closet case to me.  Volokh is a self-loathing gay person and he needs to be outed.</p>
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		<title>By: cal85</title>
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		<dc:creator>cal85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, Godwin&#039;s law kicked in pretty quick on this one.  I don&#039;t fancy that there will be much reasoned debate going on here.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;[Kip replies: Godwin&#039;s law requires an analogy to Hitler, which I did not make. I cited a quite recent, quite analogous news story.&lt;br /&gt;
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Under what circumstances do we get to invoke a &quot;Meta-Godwin&#039;s Law,&quot; in which people race to draw false analogies to Godwin&#039;s Law itself?]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, Godwin's law kicked in pretty quick on this one.  I don't fancy that there will be much reasoned debate going on here.</p>
<p><i>[Kip replies: Godwin's law requires an analogy to Hitler, which I did not make. I cited a quite recent, quite analogous news story.</p>
<p>Under what circumstances do we get to invoke a "Meta-Godwin's Law," in which people race to draw false analogies to Godwin's Law itself?]</i></p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you can clarify something for the Conspirators who stop by. I read your comment as a &lt;i&gt;reductio ad absurdem &lt;/i&gt;on the notion of a reasoned debate of same-sex marriage, whereas Prof. Volokh asserts that you are suggesting that &quot;&lt;i&gt;disapproval of same-sex marriage is analogous to Nazism&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The introduction of Nazis into any debate tends to quickly move it outside the realm of rational discussion, so either way your choice of words could have been better.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;[Kip replies: Given how bizarre Volokh&#039;s comment is, shouldn&#039;t you be asking him for the clarification and not me?]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you can clarify something for the Conspirators who stop by. I read your comment as a <i>reductio ad absurdem </i>on the notion of a reasoned debate of same-sex marriage, whereas Prof. Volokh asserts that you are suggesting that "<i>disapproval of same-sex marriage is analogous to Nazism</i>"</p>
<p>The introduction of Nazis into any debate tends to quickly move it outside the realm of rational discussion, so either way your choice of words could have been better.</p>
<p><i>[Kip replies: Given how bizarre Volokh's comment is, shouldn't you be asking him for the clarification and not me?]</i></p>
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		<title>By: podraza</title>
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		<dc:creator>podraza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you started a long thread over at Volokh with this post.  Most people seemed to agree with you.  Not Volokh&#039;s finest moment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you started a long thread over at Volokh with this post.  Most people seemed to agree with you.  Not Volokh's finest moment.</p>
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