1. Barriers will fall. When I was 6, I was intimidated by the black kids at school. They were different, they were bigger, they played dodgeball in the schoolyard (terrified me), and I avoided them. I wanted no part of them as a 6 -year old out of fear. My 6 year old sees black people and says "president." The same generational change will occur, and we see it now. The very fact that there is even discussion of, and support for gay marriage is progress over how things were when you and I were 6.

2. Minds will change. At age 11 I joined an intergrated boy scout troop and my fear of being hit in the face by a dodgeball was replaced by friendships I enjoy to this day. At age 38, due to two main factors, my feeling that marriage required a husband and wife was shed. Those factors were the growing number of gay people I did business with (as an aside, another reason why capitalism is the best system going) and the well thought out, reasoned writing of Kip Esquire. So keep doing what you are (mostly) doing.

3. It is the illiterate shitkickers whose minds have to be changed. And if not them, their children. So while I understand your frustration and even anger (as much as I can, that is. I'm not in your shoes so I can only imagine), You'll win more hearts and minds by returning to your 2004 and 2005 self who influenced me so much and less by lobbing grenades. I understand the therapeutic side of it though.

I'm disheartened that so many states can go liberal yet still ban gay marriage. Like a post you referenced, both votes were probably something done because it served themselves.

New Jersey will probably have gay marriage whenever it is the state reconvenes after winter break. Corzinne all but said if it passed, he'd sign it, just not in an election year.

Perhaps all the gays should come to the Northeast Soon we'll have lots of gay marriage states. NEw York can be the new Hollywood. Hell it has the village and Broadway, what more do you need Come to the Northeast, we have cookies and Tasteycakes (if they float your boat).

Also in the past 12 hours, I've learned the following from Facebook and Myspace: When a democrat or liberal questions the president, the country, the people; they are unpatriotic. When a republican or conservative does it, they do so casting doubt on the patriotism of everyone else and with God on their side.

I find the African-American anti-gay vote especially depressing. I guess there really is no unity among the oppressed.

I'm on your side on this issue, but the apparent outcome in California brings a question to mind —

Doesn't this stand as confirmation that the idea of trying to bring about marriage equality through the Court system isn't going to work so long as a majority of the electorate doesn't support it ?

I know asking people to wait is somewhat cruel to say the least, but if you look at the demographics on this issue, it's pretty clear that the anti-gay bigotry behind things like Prop 8 will seem as old fashioned as Jim Crow within a generation, if not sooner.

I'm not sure if you regularly read Positive Liberty, but just in case, you might appreciate Jason Kuznicki's short but painful reaction.