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	<title>Comments on: High Fuel Prices Do Not Make Amtrak a Public Good</title>
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		<title>By: Paying for infrastructure: Northern Lights Express &#171; Cambridge Rail</title>
		<link>http://www.kipesquire.net/2008/11/high-fuel-prices-do-not-make-amtrak-a-public-good/comment-page-1/#comment-7903</link>
		<dc:creator>Paying for infrastructure: Northern Lights Express &#171; Cambridge Rail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for infrastructure: Northern Lights&#160;Express  In a recent post, KipEsquire makes the case that taxes shouldn&#8217;t be spent unless a project&#8211;for instance, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done a quick post and I don&#039;t see your thesis against public libraries or airports.  I assume those are coming next week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've done a quick post and I don't see your thesis against public libraries or airports.  I assume those are coming next week?</p>
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		<title>By: Windypundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windypundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Greg&#039;s actually got a pretty good point, although it might be a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good.

More generally, while passenger rail is excludable, one of its most important substitutes---road travel---is generally not, and road travel suffers from a tragedy of the commons in the form of congestion. Thus, you could conceivably save more money by reducing congestion (including the value of drivers&#039; time) than the public cost of the rail system.

But given the history of totally bogus Amtrak support, I would have to see the numbers, and they would have to be really, really well supported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Greg's actually got a pretty good point, although it might be a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good.</p>
<p>More generally, while passenger rail is excludable, one of its most important substitutes&#8212;road travel&#8212;is generally not, and road travel suffers from a tragedy of the commons in the form of congestion. Thus, you could conceivably save more money by reducing congestion (including the value of drivers' time) than the public cost of the rail system.</p>
<p>But given the history of totally bogus Amtrak support, I would have to see the numbers, and they would have to be really, really well supported.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahndisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahndisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>11 03 08

&lt;b&gt;&quot;After all, who is more likely to ride Amtrak or a commuter train — the lower-income taxpayer or the higher-income?)&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

I think your arguments as to why a rail is not a public good may be right by the excludability criteria, but as a citizen of California I am certain that many people would ride a bullet train. Our commutes are ridiculous and people are distributed over very wide areas.  

In the Bay Area, everyone rides BART or MUNI or AC Transit or SAMTrans etc. This ridership goes across socioeconomic lines simply because car travel is impractical in certain places. As a New Yorker, don&#039;t rich and poor alike ride the subway simply due to convenience? Is the subway a public good in your opinion?

I do think that the system might be a public good because if the state is linked up by such a rail, everyone would use it.If you have ever been over the Grapevine, you would find it infintely more comfortable to ride a train rather than a bus or car.

What bothers me the most about this is the cost, as you&#039;ve aptly pointed out. So despite being in favor of such a project I am not sure if the fiscal impact for the mere planning phase is worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11 03 08</p>
<p><b>"After all, who is more likely to ride Amtrak or a commuter train — the lower-income taxpayer or the higher-income?)"</b></p>
<p>I think your arguments as to why a rail is not a public good may be right by the excludability criteria, but as a citizen of California I am certain that many people would ride a bullet train. Our commutes are ridiculous and people are distributed over very wide areas.  </p>
<p>In the Bay Area, everyone rides BART or MUNI or AC Transit or SAMTrans etc. This ridership goes across socioeconomic lines simply because car travel is impractical in certain places. As a New Yorker, don't rich and poor alike ride the subway simply due to convenience? Is the subway a public good in your opinion?</p>
<p>I do think that the system might be a public good because if the state is linked up by such a rail, everyone would use it.If you have ever been over the Grapevine, you would find it infintely more comfortable to ride a train rather than a bus or car.</p>
<p>What bothers me the most about this is the cost, as you've aptly pointed out. So despite being in favor of such a project I am not sure if the fiscal impact for the mere planning phase is worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter loves trains.  I was thinking about a trip on Amtrak, so I just looked.

For the trip I&#039;m thinking, assuming the 50.5 cents per mile allotted by the IRS, Amtrak would cost more than double, take significantly longer, and require arrival times around 3:00AM.

Attractive indeed ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter loves trains.  I was thinking about a trip on Amtrak, so I just looked.</p>
<p>For the trip I'm thinking, assuming the 50.5 cents per mile allotted by the IRS, Amtrak would cost more than double, take significantly longer, and require arrival times around 3:00AM.</p>
<p>Attractive indeed &#8230;</p>
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